Yes I've had smart meters installed.

  • meldrewreborn's Avatar
    Level 91
    Well yes its happened – finally I have new functioning (I think) Electric and Gas smart meters. The Electric Meter is a SECURE Liberty 101, and the gas meter is a SECURE Liberty Gas 200 . The 4G comms hub is a WNC UBC-TN6. The comms hub has 4 of the 5 lights flashing green every 5 seconds, the MESH light is showing nothing – this I think means all is well in the South where the Mobile network is in operation.
    The engineer came with a monitoring supervisor so I got a BOGOF!! They were just 30 minutes into the window advertised – although I got no update on the day – should I have got one?
    After a bit of sucking of teeth (is this a trained skill for fitters /engineers? ) Harry got to work. Electricity went off first. It transpired that the cables from the meter to the fuse box were in vulcanised rubber, but instead of replacing them with something more modern, an isolation switch was installed. Whether this makes financial sense I’m not sure – it might make sense for Harry but not for Eon Next!!
    Then the gas meter was changed. The previous meter had corrugated flexible stainless steel piping connection main supply to meter and meter to household piping, but this was replaced by Harry with soldered copper. (EDIT - the inlet is still in corrugated piping , the outlet in Copper - Don't know why!!) Then the gas appliances, hob, double oven, boiler and flueless gas fire had to be tested in turn to ensure air was purged from the pipes. All was well until we got to the oven, which wouldn’t light because the spark igniter didn’t come on. We had previously found that the oven clock was malfunctioning in that it would lose the set time, as though there had been a power cut. Everything else though would work. I could reset the time but it would go again in under a day. So we just got used to having it not there (how many clocks do we need in a kitchen?). But now there was nothing on the oven programmer clock and no ignition to the oven.
    So the oven couldn’t be tested. Hours later on, the oven got back to showing 4 dashes instead of the time, the spark infighter works and we avoid lashing out for a new gas double over straight away. It will need to be replaced (its annoying that you can’t get parts for a 36 year old oven!) but not yet.
    Then Harry explained the rudiments of the IHD, which was able to pick up data over the HAN but I’ve no idea when the WAN connection to allow data to pass between me and Eon Next will work. I’m not that fussed to find out. To be perfectly honest I’m not that fussed, as I really don’t expect to have much use for the IHD. It is amusing to see that a green LED goes out and an amber one comes on when the kettle is turned on. Whoever knew that boiling a kettle required electricity to be used?
    Total job time 2.5 hours. Am I satisfied – so far so good.
    Playing around on the IHD I did manage to set a budget yesterday (although I hadn’t worked one out), today I want to change it – I feel a winter gas consumption plus standing charge per day will come to £6.80 at my fixed rate tariff. Can I manage to get that in today? No way Jose. Still it’s a challenge and if I wish to comment I need to know for sure. And I’m thinking what is the point – my consumption will vary each day according to the weather. Some days it will under shoot others it will overshoot – probably a budget per month might do the trick.
    Winter electricity is then the next challenge.
    Last edited by meldrewreborn; 2 Weeks Ago at 17:07.
    Current Eon Next customer, ex EDF, Zog and Symbio. Don't think dual fuel saves money and don't like smart meters. Chronologically Gifted. If I offend let me know by private message, but I’ll continue to express my opinions nonetheless.
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    Yay! @meldrewreborn I saw you've finally took the plunge! Sounds like Harry has done a good job so far! Thank you so much for sharing your journey! Please keep us updated 😀
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  • Andy65's Avatar
    Level 47
    @meldrewreborn

    The Budget function seems pointless to me, particularly for gas as you'd have change the Budget every month through the Autumn/Winter/Spring based upon what you think the weather might be like each month. The same would apply to anyone that uses electric for heating/EV charging and those that pay by variable DD.

    What I have found the IHD useful for though is for taking meter readings, although as I'm on E7 it only shows the total meter reading so I still have to go into the garage to get either the Day or Night.
  • meldrewreborn's Avatar
    Level 91
    @Andy65

    my electricity is quite stable from month to month, whereas my gas is heavily concentrated in the winter months, dropping near zero in the summer. It would alarm some people that they’re going over budget, not realising how unrealistic it is.

    From day to day any average budget will be exceed when the washing machine and tumble dryer go on - usually Tuesdays but occasionally Wednesdays. Whether it would help detect a failing freezer is another thing to think about.
    Last edited by meldrewreborn; 2 Weeks Ago at 10:17.
  • meldrewreborn's Avatar
    Level 91

    UPDATE on the use of the IHD.

    Finally managed to get the budget figure on the IHD to my desired figure. Being entirely serious, I have to say that going up in 1p increments is quite tedious - enough I think to put some people off.!!

    So my budget for gas is now £6.80 - my thumb has developed arthritis!! Historically, December January and February account for 50% of my annual gas usage. And November and March account for another 26.3%.

    and then later I'd have to put it back down again which would be just as tedious.

    Just put the IHD details into the Bright App - now waiting for something to happen, and by George or Georgette, its now very quickly showing my correct tariffs (hooray), and my energy usage.

    The meters went in on Tuesday, but that's showing a zero and Wednesday is consequently inflated, and Thursday is more of a normal day. EDIT later the data for tuesday and wednesday corrected itself.

    One of my concerns if I go on holiday in the winter months ( I like to go SKIing - spend the kids inheritance 😎) is whether the boiler is actually firing OK while we're away -but now I'll be able to monitor the gas consumption, which will be for the boiler alone - that's a small but positive plus.
    Last edited by meldrewreborn; 2 Weeks Ago at 17:18.
  • geoffers's Avatar
    Level 37
    ...Just put the IHD details into the Bright App - now waiting for something to happen, and by George or Georgette, its now very quickly showing my correct tariffs (hooray), and my energy usage
    Next thing to do is download your ½ hourly usage in CSV format from glowmarkt.com, load it into Excel & write a VBA macro to calculate your historical energy costs to see that they've been billing you correctly 😁
  • meldrewreborn's Avatar
    Level 91
    @geoffers

    Thank you. I might give that a try when there's sufficient data to deal with. However I've no concerns that I've been billed incorrectly, as I've been assiduous in putting in my readings when on Next Flex and now I'm on two fixes (😎) the prices should be correct.

    Would the .csv data be suitable for a Pivot table to analyse ? I'm really au fait with those.

    By the way , At £7 per month I reckon (no excel needed here!) that equates to £84 per annum. @retrotecchie and I have an agreed commission arrangement of 0%, can i sign you up for the same?
  • geoffers's Avatar
    Level 37
    @geoffers

    Thank you. I might give that a try when there's sufficient data to deal with. However I've no concerns that I've been billed incorrectly, as I've been assiduous in putting in my readings when on Next Flex and now I'm on two fixes (😎) the prices should be correct.

    Would the .csv data be suitable for a Pivot table to analyse ? I'm really au fait with those.

    By the way , At £7 per month I reckon (no excel needed here!) that equates to £84 per annum. @retrotecchie and I have an agreed commission arrangement of 0%, can i sign you up for the same?
    Being on the Drive tariff and knowing the data was recorded in UTC time, I wanted to make certain I was getting my cheap-rate EV charging tariff at midnight local time irrespective of BST/GMT, to make sure they were handling the time offset correctly.

    The glowmarkt CSV file looks like this in text-file & Excel format -
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    You'll be pleased to know there's one thing that may cause the Smart Meter system to fail at 03:14:07 UTC on 19 January 2038...
    • the date appears to be stored using the Unix Epoch (number of seconds since 00:00:00 UTC on 1 January 1970)
    • this will cause the next Y2K problem, known as Y2K38, or the Epochalypse 😁
  • meldrewreborn's Avatar
    Level 91
    @geoffers

    Did you hear about the guy who had himself frozen?

    He was revived 8, 000 years later.

    They Were delighted to hear that in his former life he was a Unix programmer.

    Why are you pleased he asked?

    their reply?

    Well we've got this year 10K problem!!
  • Mailman's Avatar
    Level 60
    @meldrewreborn

    Just to add that I find I use my IHD to see what overnight kWh usage has been used - so gas has always shown 0.00 kWh and electricity circa 0.50 kWh from midnight to 8am. I think I'd see a reduction if my FF stopped. I also use it to check that Eon Next have the same reading whenever the meter reads are scheduled by noting what the reads are just before midnight before they are pulled. Never been different. Daily I glance at it from time to time (the kWh usage only). I also use it to record the previous day's usage using the historical info contained within. So these monthly reads and daily usage numbers are tabulated in a spreadsheet before doing a variety of analysis on it using tariff info etc. I don't use the daily budgeting at all preferring to work out what the monthly VDD £ bill is going to be which becomes more accurate as each day of the period passes. The anticipation of getting the bill within pennies is a monthly highlight for this pedant. I have noticed that my accuracy improves if I use the reads as they actually are on the IHD (to 3 dp if they are shown).

    BTW I now have a Viessmann gas boiler that I can monitor away from home via the internet which is quite nifty as I can see at a glance when it fires up, what % it is modulating to (and the resulting flow temperature at the boiler).