[JoeSoap]

Originally Posted by retrotecchie

@JoeSoap
@Purplerachel123

I'm guessing things will take a day or two to ripple through, bur we only isolated the oven yesterday evening, so will take a day or two for that to really begin to show up. Your latest estimates of use for the month are showing as £134 odd for electric and £21 something for gas, which is around £150 a month but that's about right after the October price rises if you were originally paying around £100 a month. You'll use a little more energy in the dark evenings and winter months, so with the price rises too, you aren't actually that far out, financially...not anywhere the scary £300 you were initially estimating based on your top ups.

The latest daily electricity cost of £6.38 equates to a daily usage of around 17kWh (about the same as my usage) and over a month would total about £200. Then there's the gas, which from the blurred image looks like 778kWh/month, so another £80-90 which makes a monthly total of around the scary £300 you mention by my calculations.

[Purplerachel123]

Originally Posted by retrotecchie

@JoeSoap
@Purplerachel123

I'm guessing things will take a day or two to ripple through, bur we only isolated the oven yesterday evening, so will take a day or two for that to really begin to show up. Your latest estimates of use for the month are showing as £134 odd for electric and £21 something for gas, which is around £150 a month but that's about right after the October price rises if you were originally paying around £100 a month. You'll use a little more energy in the dark evenings and winter months, so with the price rises too, you aren't actually that far out, financially...not anywhere the scary £300 you were initially estimating based on your top ups.

You see the jagged green arrow on your app to the right of the daily electricity cost? That means your electricity usage is trending downwards. That daily cost is the rolling average, not the actual cost, which is the £3 odd shown below. Without the oven, and as the rolling average adjusts itself, that trend should continue, hopefully. I'd still be inclined to see what else you have plugged in that's consuming energy in the background. Can you tell us the make and model of your fridge? Would be nice to know that to help estimate your baseline consumption.

But keep an eye over the next few days, that average daily cost should begin to decrease with time, now the oven isn't ticking over 24/7.

My fridge freezer is a Hisense RS741N4WC11

[meldrewreborn]

OFGEM reckon the TDV for electricity is 2900 kWh per annum, in a dual fuel household. That's the average North to South, city to countryside, flat to mansion. Or about 8 kWh per day.

Mine is now down to 5 kWh per day after ditching my guzzling freezer. We have an extended 3 bed semi in suburbia. Just me and SWMBO in the home 24/7. We're retired so are about most of the time. We heat with gas , and cook with gas. We have a solar thermal panel which really lowers our water heating consumption in the summer. We have all the modern conveniences, washing machine, dishwasher fridge freezer tumble dryer, Two TVs, two cable boxes and a router. one main Computer and one laptop. LED lighting throughout. Mobile phones on charge.

While there are issues about floor space, wall sizes, loft sizes and insulation when it comes to heating costs - those factors don't have much relevance when it comes to electricity (non heating) consumption. What drives electricity consumption is the appliances we use and how often we use them and their energy efficiency.

The other thing is observation, devices using electricity give off heat. So if things are warm when you wouldn't expect it that's something for investigation.

As I said before I don't have a smart meter, never wanted one and am not at all impressed by the claimed benefits. But I can and do read my actual meters often,

I also use a meter like this

Electricity Usage Monitor, Electricity Power Consumption Meter Energy Monitor Timer Plug Watt kwh Analyzer Plug-in with LCD Display for Home Hotel : Amazon.co.uk: DIY & Tools

to establish what appliances are costing me a lot. Obviously a big appliance (usually in the kitchen) will use a fair bit, but the monitor can be left in for a week or more to establish its fair consumption over time. Then you can decide whether you have to keep it plugged in and working, or whether it might be beneficial to replace it, or just turn it off when not in active use.

[meldrewreborn]

@Purplerachel123

so 412 kWh per annum according to the manufacturer.

Hisense RS741N4WC11 90cm Wide, Total No Frost American-Style Fridge Freezer with Non-Plumbed Water Dispenser - Stainless Steel | very.co.uk

But is the one in your home conforming to specification. Unless you measure it you really don't know. And that is something you smart meter can't tell you very easily.

[JoeSoap]

For comparison, I have reduced both electric and gas usage since August. This month my daily electricity usage has reached about 17-18kWh and gas has now reached 70-80kWh per day. I'm seeing total daily costs of around £13-14 on my IHD so am expecting a bill of around £400 this month. Good job I've cut down then 🤔

[retrotecchie]

@JoeSoap I'm still thinking that the £6.38 is a rolling daily average...hence the green downward trend arrow. If your rolling average increases, that trend arrow points the other way and turns red, possibly.

Here's my spreadsheet.

Column 9 is my daily average in kWh per day, Column 10 is a rolling average and Column 12 is my actual cost per day.

02/10/22	72317	2	286	0.33973	0.49168	24	3420	12.00	11.96	£9.14	£4.57
03/10/22	72326	1	287	0.33973	0.49168	9	3429	9.00	11.95	£3.55	£3.55
06/10/22	72355	3	290	0.33973	0.49168	29	3458	9.67	11.92	£11.33	£3.78
08/10/22	72368	2	292	0.33973	0.49168	13	3471	6.50	11.89	£5.40	£2.70
12/10/22	72404	4	296	0.33973	0.49168	36	3507	9.00	11.85	£14.20	£3.55
14/10/22	72421	2	298	0.33973	0.49168	17	3524	8.50	11.83	£6.76	£3.38
16/10/22	72432	2	300	0.33973	0.49168	11	3535	5.50	11.78	£4.72	£2.36
17/10/22	72444	1	301	0.33973	0.49168	12	3547	12.00	11.78	£4.57	£4.57
24/10/22	72515	7	308	0.33973	0.49168	71	3618	10.14	11.75	£27.56	£3.94
30/10/22	72570	6	314	0.33973	0.49168	55	3673	9.17	11.70	£21.64	£3.61
03/11/22	72610	4	318	0.33973	0.49168	40	3713	10.00	11.68	£15.56	£3.89
06/11/22	72637	3	321	0.33973	0.49168	27	3740	9.00	11.65	£10.65	£3.55
09/11/22	72671	3	324	0.33973	0.49168	34	3774	11.33	11.65	£13.03	£4.34
24/11/22	72795	15	339	0.33973	0.49168	124	3898	8.27	11.50	£49.50	£3.30

Av cost per day between 9 and 24 Nov is £3.30

My rolling average consumption is 11.5kWh, down from 11.96kWh at the start of October. If you took that as a daily consumption, then that would be 11.5 x 33.97p + 49.168p standing charge, or £4.40.

[JoeSoap]

Originally Posted by retrotecchie

@JoeSoap I'm still thinking that the £6.38 is a rolling daily average...hence the green downward trend arrow. If your rolling average increases, that trend arrow points the other way and turns red, possibly.

I think you're correct. I don't know how far back it's averaged over though. I just used it as a rough guide to monthly cost. We're going into winter, so if anything, that cost is likely to rise. The average trend is likely downwards as it's taking the summer readings into consideration.

Edit... Oh, and yes... the upward trend arrow shows in red... like mine is currently ☹

[retrotecchie]

@Purplerachel123

According to my searches, that fridge uses...

464 kWh/year
Product Information

Fridge Capacity:	370 litres
Freezer Capacity:	200 litres
Annual Power Consumption:	464 kWh/year
kgCO2/year:	74.98 kgCO2
Cost per year:	£0.20 per litre

So 464kWh per year works out at about 1.27kWh a day, or about 45p a day to run. Maybe 10 percent of your total consumption?

As Sherlock Holmes once said once you have eliminated the impossible....but that oven is prime suspect.

[JoeSoap]

Originally Posted by retrotecchie

... Scratch the fridge as a culprit.

As long as it isn't faulty 🤔

[retrotecchie]

@JoeSoap

Like the oven....🤣🤣🤣