Compensation following a power cut.

  • retrotecchie's Avatar
    Level 92
    So, Storm Darragh hit the west coast of Wales pretty hard and many thousands of people, including me, suffered fairly major disruption.

    I'm now trying to drill down into the compensation for the disruption. Although 'storm damage' isn't something that energy networks can plan too far ahead on, with climate change being 'a thing' and knowing that we'll be seeing a lot more of this in future, I'm hoping that the industry can start to be more proactive than reactive.

    The compensation is something I'm struggling to get a straight answer on. They don't make it easy to navigate the process!

    First port of call is the energy network, in my case it used to be Western Power but they are now part of National Grid. Their website has this:

    Can I claim compensation for loss and damage caused by a power cut?

    You can find out more about compensation for power cuts by visiting the ENA website.

    So right from the get go, the buck is already being passed.

    A visit to the ENA website reveals this:

    Compensation for power cuts in severe weather

    When you can claim depends on how Ofgem categorise storms in severe weather.
    Further information is available on Ofgem's website.

    So once more, the buck is being passed. So on to OFGEM who aren't worth a light at the best of times, and they say this:



    Compensation for power cuts in severe weather

    Your level of compensation depends on the category of the severe weather, and how long you were without a power supply.

    Storm category 1

    You can get £85 if your power has been cut off for 24 hours.
    You will get an extra £40 for every 6 hours afterwards. The maximum amount you can claim is £2,000.

    Storm category 2

    You can get £85 if your power has been cut off for 48 hours.
    You will get an extra £40 for every 6 hours afterwards. The maximum amount you can claim is £2,000.

    Woohoo......but where is the definition of Category 1 or Category 2 storm? More research required there, then!

    They then go on to say:


    How to claim

    You must claim within three months for unplanned supply cuts, or within a month for planned supply cuts where you were not given notice.
    You can make a claim through your your gas or electricity supplier.

    So it appears that the route for claiming compensation is via the supplier, in my case that would be E.On Next.


    So, having been off supply for thirty six hours, plus change, I need to know how to file my compensation claim (is there a form to fill in or a set procedure?), who defines whether it was a Cat 1 or Cat 2 event (Met office, DNO, ENA or OFGEM?) and what the parameters are.

    Compensation due is to be paid within 10 working days. How is this done? Cheque? Credit to my energy account?

    With all the buck-passing between organisations just trying to find the information I need, I somehow suspect getting any compensation will also involve buck-passing, blame-shifting and other convoluted paths before anything happens, and I'm sure it will take much longer than the stated ten days.

    If I have a faulty product such as a home appliance, my first line of redress and the responsibility of liability under consumer law is the retailer. That is to say, the party that I entered into a contract with and who have my money. That is not negotiable. None of this 'you need to contact the manufacturer' or 'we don't repair these, you need to call the Helpline' nonsense. It's is the retailer's responsibility to provide redress and then the onus is on them to pass the problem back up the line to the manufacturer.

    So, my claim for compensation will naturally be through my supplier (E.On Next) as I have a contract with them, not with my DNO, ENA, OFGEM or anyone else, yes?

    So first question. How is the category of the storm decided, and is that information going to be notified to customers or published in the Public Domain?

    Second question. Can you please point me in the direction of a compensation claim.

    Third question. You aren't going to have the brass neck to charge me for the day and a half standing charge where you did not provide the supply as contracted, are you?!

    Last edited by retrotecchie; 1 Week Ago at 11:51.
    Don't shoot me, I'm only the piano player. I DON'T work for or on behalf of EON.Next, but am willing to try and help if I can. Not on mains gas, mobile network or mains drainage. House heated almost entirely by baby dragons.
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  • meldrewreborn's Avatar
    Level 91
    @retrotecchie

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather...and%20impacts.
    Current Eon Next customer, ex EDF, Zog and Symbio. Don't think dual fuel saves money and don't like smart meters. Chronologically Gifted. If I offend let me know by private message, but I’ll continue to express my opinions nonetheless.
  • retrotecchie's Avatar
    Level 92
    @meldrewreborn


    Well, if the energy industry follows that logic, then the highest gust recorded in my area was 94mph recorded at Aberporth and Capel Curig thus making it a Category 1, but I somehow suspect that ratings for 'tropical cyclones' possibly don't apply to storms in the UK!

    The Shipping Forecast for 00.15 GMT on Saturday gave Irish Sea an estimate of Force 11 (violent storm) but coastal areas saw not only gusts but continuous windspeeds of Hurricane Force 12. Aberporth registered 13 gusting to 14 on the Extended Beaufort Scale 😯
    Last edited by retrotecchie; 1 Week Ago at 13:17.
  • retrotecchie's Avatar
    Level 92
    That's rather verbose and convoluted and certainly not something that informs or elucidates the typical customer!

    In order to determine the category of incident, it will require frank and accurate reporting of DNO performance, especially when it comes to the ratio of incidents reported under normal weather conditions to those reported under exceptional weather conditions.

    And absolutely no reference at all to customers on the PSR.

    National Grid's statement about the PSR states:

    Benefits of being on our register

    We know that some people need a little extra help, which is why we offer priority support to those who need it.
    By registering for our Priority Services Register, you’ll get extra support during a power cut if you need it. Our Priority Services Register is suitable for elderly, very ill or disabled people, or those who rely on power for medical equipment.
    If you join our FREE Priority Services Register, we can:

    • Provide a dedicated and direct number you can call during a power cut to get straight through to us. No such number! The one contact number purported to be for 'exclusive' PSR customers just diverts to the main enquiry line which is closed outside 8am to 5pm Monday to Friday 👎
    • Agree on a password with you before we visit, so you know you can trust the person at the door. Yes, in place 👍


    • Provide special help through trusted partners such as British Red Cross if you need it. No approach or attempt to contact me was made and I could not contact, as detailed above. 👎


    • Keep you up-to-date on any planned interruptions to your power supply. I had a letter advising me of a planned two-hour power cut a couple of weeks ago. The letter was sent two weeks in advance and they explicitly stated they had sent it as I was on the PSR. 👍


    • Stay in touch with you during an unplanned power cut, including advice on how long it will last. Not so easy if your phone line is out or you don't have access to the internet because the power is off. National Grid had vehicles up and down the road every few hours and one one occasion, I spoke to an engineer, but no effort made to contact vulnerable customers in any way. 👎



    I'm pretty resiliant and 'roughly toughy' despite my medical issues, but I'm on the PSR simply because the other occupier of the property, for who I am the registered carer, is disabled, more elderly than me, reliant on electricity for temperature-controlled medicine storage and particularly unable to deal with situations like power cuts due to mobility and mental health issues. So, for me, the PSR did not offer any tangible benefits.

    As for E.On Next's PSR, they offer:



    When you’re on the PSR, there are extra things we can do for you to make life easier:

    1. If your energy supply stops unexpectedly, we’ll prioritise reconnecting you straight away. How? Name:  confused.gif
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    Last edited by retrotecchie; 1 Week Ago at 14:12.
  • geoffers's Avatar
    Level 37
    @retrotecchie - I just can't believe how anyone can expect compensation for a power cut due to a major storm event like this 😲

    Ok - if it's down to shear incompetence of the supplier/DNO: no problemo, but for a "force majeure" no way
  • meldrewreborn's Avatar
    Level 91
    @retrotecchie - I just can't believe how anyone can expect compensation for a power cut due to a major storm event like this 😲

    Ok - if it's down to shear incompetence of the supplier/DNO: no problemo, but for a "force majeure" no way


    OOOHH, you're a toughie - I never suspected. Think of it as a sort of insurance that we all pay in our standing charges. If we're not inconvenienced by a power cut we're happy and content, and those that are affected get some compensation.

    But if there were no compensation there would be no incentive on the industry to provide a resilient grid which wouldn't be good for any of us.
  • retrotecchie's Avatar
    Level 92
    @meldrewreborn

    Well said.

    @geoffers

    Force majeur does not apply in this situation. The red warning was in place for a good three days before Darragh landed, so therefore there was nothing 'unforseen'.
  • geoffers's Avatar
    Level 37
    @meldrewreborn

    Well said.

    @geoffers

    Force majeur does not apply in this situation. The red warning was in place for a good three days before Darragh landed, so therefore there was nothing 'unforseen'.
    Who cares if the warning was three days beforehand - they can't stop trees etc taking out power lines (or do you expect them to go and chop all the trees down before the storm)

    The compensation culture now prevalent in this country is real bad news - resulting in massive excess costs for any service industry etc which gets passed on to the consumer.

    Just buy some candles & live with the power cuts for a day or so 🤓
  • retrotecchie's Avatar
    Level 92
    @geoffers

    I can, and did, quite happily. Not so easy for an elderly disabled person with mobility issues and a reliance on temperature controlled medicines or powered mobility aids.