Electric car depreciation

  • retrotecchie's Avatar
    Level 92
    @geoffers

    There is only one battery technology really suited to fast or rapid charging and that is batteries using nickel chemistry. Both lead acid and any lithium chemistry batteries can cope with faster than C/10 charge rates but at a cost of the number of cycles before they begin to degrade.

    Tesla's claims of 'million mile batteries' are based on slow charging rates.

    Prius first generation hybrids, early Nissan Leaf models and early model Bolts all used Ni-MH technologies and apart from a few Prius owners who have needed replacement battery packs, many are still going strong today as their charge rate is limited to 3kW.

    A friend of mine recently acquired at auction a Sinclair C5. Originally fitted with a 12v 24Ah lead acid battery giving a range of about 15 miles with pedal assistance. A lifespan of perhaps 100 charge-discharge cycles at best. He has replaced the battery with a 50Ah nickel metal hydride battery system (job lot of DeWalt cordless tool batteries he's hacked) and has quadrupled the range, halved the weight of the battery and can do a full charge in three hours rather than fourteen.

    He could have gone down the lithium road, but as an experienced electronics engineer and a battery specialist, he still has a preference for cheaper, more stable and trusted technology. And he can charge it in the boot of his estate car by plugging it into the lighter socket ๐Ÿ‘
    Don't shoot me, I'm only the piano player. I DON'T work for or on behalf of EON.Next, but am willing to try and help if I can. Not on mains gas, mobile network or mains drainage. House heated almost entirely by baby dragons.
  • geoffers's Avatar
    Level 29
    @geoffers

    There is only one battery technology really suited to fast or rapid charging and that is batteries using nickel chemistry. Both lead acid and any lithium chemistry batteries can cope with faster than C/10 charge rates but at a cost of the number of cycles before they begin to degrade.

    Tesla's claims of 'million mile batteries' are based on slow charging rates.

    Prius first generation hybrids, early Nissan Leaf models and early model Bolts all used Ni-MH technologies and apart from a few Prius owners who have needed replacement battery packs, many are still going strong today as their charge rate is limited to 3kW.

    A friend of mine recently acquired at auction a Sinclair C5. Originally fitted with a 12v 24Ah lead acid battery giving a range of about 15 miles with pedal assistance. A lifespan of perhaps 100 charge-discharge cycles at best. He has replaced the battery with a 50Ah nickel metal hydride battery system (job lot of DeWalt cordless tool batteries he's hacked) and has quadrupled the range, halved the weight of the battery and can do a full charge in three hours rather than fourteen.

    He could have gone down the lithium road, but as an experienced electronics engineer and a battery specialist, he still has a preference for cheaper, more stable and trusted technology. And he can charge it in the boot of his estate car by plugging it into the lighter socket ๐Ÿ‘
    ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘ Yep - I fly r.c model gliders (don't ask me how many I've got ... n+1 might give you a clue ๐Ÿค“) so am well versed in LiPo & NiMh charging technologies
  • geoffers's Avatar
    Level 29
    ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘ Yep - I fly r.c model gliders ....
    Going off topic, but here's a little quiz...

    You've got to guess what the current world record speed for an unpowered r.c. model glider is? (No cheating & looking it up on Google ๐Ÿค“ )