[zappedtoe]

Would Replacing the Comms Hub not solve this problem?

[retrotecchie]

@zappedtoe

In theory yes, but newer comms hubs are integrated onto the electricity meter rather than being a separate unit like the Trilliant. Your Landys and Gyr meter may be an older unit that isn't compatible with an integrated hub. There are about seven different models of the G4xx series of electric meters and only the newer ones are compatible.

Meter installers aren't really trained for modular or partial exchanges. They usually just exchange the whole shooting match when upgrading from SMETS1 because even if you upgrade the hub, the meters themselves are still SMETS1 and don't have all the newer software/firmware features. Such a system is called, unofficially, SMETS1.5 and although it may work, it's not an OFGEM approved solution.

[meldrewreborn]

Any SMETS 1 meters not migrated yet will never be migrated in their current home. But when these meters are replaced they may well be replaced with refurbished SMETS1 meters and possibly new communications hubs. This to save the suppliers money. Although smart metering costs are passed on to us as consumers.

As I don't want one but still have to pay, I suppose i should be pleased. It will also reduce landfill. 15% of smart meters were dumb in the Government stats released at end of September.

[retrotecchie]

@meldrewreborn

At least a lot of traditional meters don't end up in landfill. There is a good market for older meters and several companies specialising in recalibrating, refurbishing and reselling them. I for one usually buy at least two or three a year, either for use as check meters or for submetering. They will never completely go away and indeed there are still lots of companies making brand new ones.

[zappedtoe]

@meldrewreborn Is that a fact that my smets1 meter now cannot ever be migrated as it has not been migrated yet? @PeterT_EONNext can you investigate this and confirm or dispute?

[meldrewreborn]

@zappedtoe

The DCC migration process has finished. Non migrated meters will need to be replaced with new meters or refurbished meters.

You can check out the DCC website and their annual report. It very long and complicated written for industry but that is the effect.

[Ed93]

Originally Posted by meldrewreborn

The DCC migration process has finished.

This is contradicted by the statement PeterT quoted from his colleagues on the previous page of this thread

Originally Posted by PeterT_EONNext

The DCC are working on enrolling all dormant smart meters onto their network. Due to the type of meters they are, these can only communicate with the supplier that installed the meter currently, we'll have to wait for the data communications company to enrol the meters fully before we can communicate and start to get automatic meter readings. The deadline we've been given for this is a blanket "by 2025"

So it seems like the ambition has slipped well beyond what's publicly stated on the DCC website.

@PeterT_EONNext, can I ask whether there are any model/original supplier combinations that DCC have said will never work, and to go ahead and replace? Or are all unadopted SMETS1 meters still in scope for adoption?

Or to put it another way, is E.ON Next replacing any SMETS1 meters with SMETS2, or are you still waiting for DCC in all cases?

[PeterT_EONNext]

Hi @Ed93

I can confirm that at no point, have the DCC ever said anything about specific models of SMETS1 meters that aren't able to be adopted onto their network and begin communicating again so we can't confirm 100% which ones will and won't. The issues usually boil down to a number of factors such as the network being used by the 'sim' installed within the meters communications hub, the signal in the area, and whether or not this can be adopted onto the DCC successfully. Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing this information if we've had no prior connection to the meter since the supply was with us, as it's down to the DCC to attempt to 'adopt' all of these onto their network so that all suppliers can access the meters communications.

The SMETS1 meters that we generally see in a 'dormant' state aren't really model specific, but they do tend to be meters that were installed prior to 2018 where the longest waits for enrolment seem to be occurring. This can be any model of SMETS1 meters by manufacturer.

I'm aware that there is information on the Smart Data Communications Website which still states a deadline for all meters by the end of 2022. I'm unsure why this is, as our Smart Team here have confirmed on a number of occasions since early to mid 2022, that the DCC are actually telling us 'by 2025'.

We're not replacing any SMETS1 meters with SMETS2 currently as we've been advised to wait whilst enrolment continues of all SMETS1 meters still not running on the network. There will be a time when those that absolutely can't be enrolled will either need to be upgraded to a SMETS2 meter setup, or at the very least, a change of the comms hub at the electricity meter point so that the meter can be adopted onto the network.

[meldrewreborn]

from the DCC website

When will my SMETS1 meter be upgraded?

Almost all of the "dormant" meters which the DCC can proactively identify and upgrade have been migrated to the network. If your meter hasn't been upgraded unfortunately we're unable to provide you with an exact date as to when this will happen. That's because we need to work with the energy companies to migrate the remaining meters: we can't do it on our own. If there is a problem with migrating your SMETS1 meters, your energy supplier will arrange for second-generation (SMETS2) meters to be installed.

So i think that the programme to enrol SMETS1 meters in bulk is now over and its more a bespoke type of operation. The problem with that is there is no transparency to the consumer.

Even this information is suspect, I've read that removed SMETS1 meters will be reprogrammed in a repair facility and then reused. So getting a SMETS2 meter as a replacement isn't a given. I wonder what Einstein would think of this shambles?

[meldrewreborn]

This site contains some use ful background. Note the final stage commencing in 2019 covered 3 year to end of 2022.

DCC publishes guide on migration of SMETS1 smart meters | SMS (sms-plc.com)