Warm Home Discount Update

Level 91

meldrewreborn

09-11-22

If you fancy reading 56 pages, many of the questions can be answered by reading this:

Warm Home Discount reform final stage Impact Assessment (publishing.service.gov.uk)

Page 21 is interesting

Current Eon Next customer, ex EDF, Zog and Symbio. Don't think dual fuel saves money and don't like smart meters. Chronologically Gifted. If I offend let me know by private message, but I’ll continue to express my opinions nonetheless.

Level 92

retrotecchie

09-11-22

@meldrewreborn

Not as interesting as the preamble...

Suppliers recoup the total value of their obligation, plus any administrative costs they incur, through raising prices. This is estimated to lead to costs to consumers of PV £1,260m, and after equity weighting, PV £1,870m. This includes supplier administrative costs of PV £37m. • Increased income for rebate recipients is expected to lead to a net increase in energy consumption, which leads to additional resource costs of PV £220m. • Those who do not receive the rebate experience a reduction of income, which leads to reduced energy consumption. Lower energy consumption reduces utility by PV £7m, and after equity weighting, PV £13m. • The net increase in energy consumption leads to GHG emissions costs of PV £270m. • The net increase in energy consumption leads to air quality costs of PV £16m. • Administrative costs to Government of PV £7m.

PV being Present Value, not allowing for inflation

Last edited by retrotecchie; 09-11-22 at 18:45.

Don't shoot me, I'm only the piano player. I DON'T work for or on behalf of EON.Next, but am willing to try and help if I can. Not on mains gas, mobile network or mains drainage. House heated almost entirely by baby dragons.

Level 92

retrotecchie

09-11-22

Originally Posted by b3xvw

Yes that's the conclusion I have come too. The DWP doesn't have this information on my home. I have no EPC recorded.
So how do we know how they are choosing who meets this criteria?
What evidence can Eon provide me with to show how they have come to the decision whether to pay me the Warm Payment discount ?

Answers please Eon - if your going to turn me down I will want to know how you made your decision.

EPC is irrelevant. My rating of E doesn't matter a fishes nipple. The fact my house is made of solid stone, off the gas grid, on an exposed sea cost 300m above sea level, and was built before 1850 on scraped soil with no damp proof course...that's what makes it high energy cost! So the VOA tell me.

Level 91

meldrewreborn

09-11-22

@retrotecchie

you either get £130 benefit (£150 less contribution via standing charges) or you pay £20 through your standing charges. The government love it because it doesn’t affect government taxation levels or spending levels. But if there’s any good publicity from it they’ll take the credit. If there’s bad publicity they’ll be nowhere to be seen.

Level 92

retrotecchie

09-11-22

@meldrewreborn

As they seem to have been for much of the year so far.

Level 1

b3xvw

09-11-22

@meldrewreborn Thank you Mr Meldrew

Level 92

retrotecchie

09-11-22

Originally Posted by meldrewreborn

@retrotecchie

you either get £130 benefit (£150 less contribution via standing charges) or you pay £20 through your standing charges. The government love it because it doesn’t affect government taxation levels or spending levels. But if there’s any good publicity from it they’ll take the credit. If there’s bad publicity they’ll be nowhere to be seen.

Well me and herself qualify one way or another.

Do I have the option to decline my 'discount' and just have the £20 knocked off my standing charges (plus another reduction in my SC for not having a smart meter) and nominate a few select 'comrades' to receive a similar, more equitable divvy?

Last edited by retrotecchie; 09-11-22 at 21:13.

Level 91

meldrewreborn

10-11-22

@retrotecchie

the late Prince Philip once gave a speech to a business group putting forward the position that it was’t fair to castigate so called benefit scrounges when they were only abiding by the rules set down, and that few businessmen (or women) would pay a penny more in tax than the rules required.

what people do with taxpayer largess is though entirely up to them. Personally I take the view that most public services waste money and the only way to stop them wasting so much is to give them less in the first place!

Level 92

retrotecchie

10-11-22

@meldrewreborn

This is more like robbing 50 Peters to pay 1 Paul though. I've paid plenty of tax in my time and I leave it up to the Exchequer to decide what to do with it. Although we might think HMRC are robbing barstewards, UK PLC is technically a 'not for profit' organisation. Energy companies, on the other hand...

Last edited by retrotecchie; 10-11-22 at 00:17.

Level 1

Jools70

13-11-22

Hi. Regarding the discount can this be applied to gas with already having the other help for electric?