Should we think more about the cost of heating hot water?

  • meldrewreborn's Avatar
    Level 93
    I thought I’d put down some thoughts on water heating, as it’s a topic we don’t often cover.

    We use gas for heating , water heating and cooking. I think the latter contributes little to our usage and I can’t measure it so I’ll put that to one side for the moment. However, by separating the times the boiler fires to heat the hot water from the general house heating I can make an approximation of the consumption on each, using downloaded smart meter data. Also I can do this because we have a hot water storage tank, which isn't so common these days as Combi Boilers are the most often used boilers. Nevertheless if people look as their gas consumption in the summer months, when the heating is probably off, then it must be highly likely that that the vast majority of that gas is being used on heating hot water.

    We also have a solar thermal panel which heats our hot water almost 100% in the summer, with lesser contributions outside of that. Anyway by analysing my data I think a full year of heating our hot water would be an input of 4,000 kWh. Not that we actually use that much, because the solar thermal panel works very well. For example the average daily consumption for water heating in February –March was 11 kWh, while in April it was 4.3 kWh and in May it was 3.3 kWh. But the point is that heating water does actually use a lot of energy. We have showers every day, and I confess they’re not particularly short. Apart from that the hot water is used for dishwashing and general hand washing, water to wash floors etc. We don’t have baths, nor do we have an electric shower, while the washing machine and dishwasher are cold fill, so no hot water used there. We wash up our pots and pans and use the dishwasher for plates, cups and saucers and cutlery – it goes on every 6 days or so, when its full!

    I can fully understand why energy saving advice encourages us to have shorter showers. Ours are gas fuelled in the winter, but if we had electric showers the fuel price is 4+ times as much, so the incentive to make them shorter is much more powerful.

    So, should we think more about our hot water costs?
    Last edited by DebF_EONNext; 05-06-25 at 14:39. Reason: featured thread
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    rwh202's Avatar
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    Just a few of my thoughts on hot water heating - We are a family of 3 with a large, well insulated tank.

    After some experiments a few years ago, we've settled on the hot water being fired up every other day to heat up the tank. Only occasionally do we need a boost - in winter when colder incoming water, lower ambient and multiple baths a day (we usually shower).

    This resulted in reduced consumption overall (vs running every day). In summer, hot water is the only use of gas, so easy to isolate. We now use 8 kWh every 2 days vs 6 kWh every day.

    The losses in firing up the boiler, heating it up, heating the primary loop up etc. are significant. Plus the boiler is operating in a very poor regime for efficiency - I estimate less than 50% efficiency in heating water (for a '95%' efficient boiler!). It would make sense to use the electric immersion instead on overnight 6.7p electricity, but would need a time switch fitting and also not sure of its longevity given it's meant as a boost / backup.

    Poor boiler efficiency is also present for combi boilers - they rely on low return temps for condensation to occur - in water heating, that's not possible. They also have extra losses if they are in 'comfort' mode where they try and keep warmed up ready for hot water, wasting a huge amount of energy.

    Finally, it's worth drilling in the reality that every time you use the hot tap you are using heated water - even when it's coming out cold! That water has been heated at your expense, just gone cold since then. (I suppose in winter you can argue that the heat lost might make its way into the habitable space and reduce heating bills slightly...)
  • Andy65's Avatar
    Level 52
    @meldrewreborn

    In my opinion a lot of it is down to lifestyle and choosing the right options for yourself. I've always been an early riser, I enjoy the early mornings.
    I have gas central heating and hot water but I'm on E7. A 10 minute electric shower costs me about 10p, I use a kettle to wash up and all of my washing and tumble drying is done on the night tariff.

    For my 3 bed semi, I pay less than £70 per month in total for gas and electric. My choice of tariff and how I use it suits my lifestyle but it wouldn't for many.
  • meldrewreborn's Avatar
    Level 93
    @Andy65

    Thank you for setting out your position. Assuming your heating is turned off in the summer, what is your gas bill like in that period, in terms of kWh?
  • Indyk_EONNext's Avatar
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    Quite a interesting post you have shard here @meldrewreborn thank you 😊

    I definitely agree here and feel we don't often think about the hot water we use, it's something that we definitely need to improve on cutting down as a family as having a busy house hold it's something we do use a lot of especially during school holidays when the kids are off.

    We don't have an electric shower as it runs straight from the boiler I think! so I can imagine that to be part of my high usage! 😬
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  • Tommysgirl's Avatar
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    @meldrewreborn

    I had a combi boiler installed a few years ago when my conventional boiler gave up the ghost, and I miss my hot water storage tank. I don't have an electric shower, I use the shower heated by the combi boiler every day, mostly on a warm to slightly hot rather than a very hot setting. I have a cold fill washing machine, (which most are these days), which heats the water by electric, but I usually use the 40c and occasionally the 30c settings. I use hot water to wash the dishes, for hand washing, and other than that, a bucket of warm water to wash the car if needed, and for cleaning my windows about once a month My gas consumption is much lower in the summer than the winter, about a quarter of my winter consumption when the heating is on.
  • meldrewreborn's Avatar
    Level 93
    @Tommysgirl

    so how much gas do you use in the summer? The phrase “money down the drain” particularly applies in the case of most of our use of hot water!
  • Tommysgirl's Avatar
    Level 88
    @meldrewreborn

    I've checked back through my bills, and my summer usage averages at about 80 to 90 kwh per month, which is about a fifteenth of my monthly winter usage amount during the coldest months.
    Last edited by Tommysgirl; 05-06-25 at 14:35.
  • Anasa_EONNext's Avatar
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    What a fab post @meldrewreborn Great topic for conversation and I agree it one that is not talked about often at all. We only have a walk in shower, sometimes a quick shower sometimes a bit longer with a little girl as well sometimes she will play in there a little bit longer than she should. Sometimes I even put it on then get distracted and its been running for 10 mins, not just water but hot water and I've never really sat and thought about the cost to heat it.. I think about the water bill and leaky taps and it reduced my bill massively after I got it fixed - A typical 10 minute shower can cost around 73p for an electric shower and thats crazy to think of 'showers' costing money.
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  • Andy65's Avatar
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    @Andy65

    Thank you for setting out your position. Assuming your heating is turned off in the summer, what is your gas bill like in that period, in terms of kWh?
    @meldrewreborn

    Over the summer months I use less than 40 kWh of gas, the bills are mostly just the standing charges.